The Misogyny Subculture: Summary (Part 7)

For some, perhaps many, the term "misogyny subculture" seems a bit paradoxical. Cynics would say misogyny doesn't need a subculture because it is ostensibly pervasive in the mainstream. That view is fair, if not objectively true.


However, a subculture does exist. It exists mainly because those who are in the subculture feel they are outcasts and marginalized. While many believe patriarchy, sexism and misogyny are still rampant within society those in this subculture feel feminism has taken over every aspect of society. Thus, they believe an orchestrated precision effort has been undertaken to suppress masculinity and render men unnecessary, if not eradicate them all together. Because of this belief, they feel an underground grassroots movement is necessary to stem the tide of feminism and all its tentacles.


In the previous installments of the series the various groups within the subculture have been discussed and dissected. We went over the incels, mgtow, crypto-misogynists and pick-up artists. What is interesting about these various groups is that they each have a slightly nuanced viewpoint of women and the world.




Mgtow harbor the majority of their vitriol for feminists while incels tend to direct their disdain toward women in general and assume they are all femimists.


Crypto-misogynists are more likely to come across as "nice guys" on the surface which actually allows them to be more assimilated within general society. This provides them the necessary room to espouse their disdain for feminism through veiled political ideological stances and cloak it with "they're just an old fashioned guy looking for an old fashioned gal".


The exception to this rule of despising feminism is the pick-up artist (pua). The pua ideology is not based on feminism being the root of all evil. Whereas the other groups attempt to hide the ball under the sole guise of "feminism has gone to far", pick-up artists drop the pretense revealing they're fueled by pure unadulterated objectification. Their single goal is to sex as many women as possible by any means necessary.


Objectification is the key. Yes, the other groups detest feminism and women's liberation. They bemoan society changing to appreciate and acknowledge women's contributions and necessary prevalent roles. They loathe the fact women are becoming seen as equal and worthy. But, make no mistake about it the base of the misogyny is sex.


Regardless the subgroup within the subculture they fundamentally believe women are obligated to date them and give up the cobbler. One of their primary issues with feminism is they believe feminism has "brainwashed" women into believing they can be be overly picky when it comes to sexual partners (God forbid, right). Some believe feminism encourages women to become lesbians, which is an excuse they'll use to attack the LGBTQ community.


This belief is where hypergamy or the 80/20 rule comes into play. Hypergamy states 80% of women ("beckys" as they are called) only seek romantic and/or sexual partners from the top 20% of men ( "chads" or "tyrones"). Basically, these "beckys" are dating above their physical attractiveness and socioeconomic level. This causes the vast majority of men to be ignored and neglected which is a cornerstone of incel ideology.


Now, because of hypergamy incels claim they are forced into involuntary celibacy. They say because beckys essentially don't know their place it's causing incels to go sexless and the natural order (God's order) to be distorted and ultimately destroyed.


This leads to the red pill/black pill philosophy, which is loosely based on The Matrix. If a dude takes the red pill he is choosing to see the world as it really is. That basically means the dude understands feminism is the root of all evil, women are vain and shallow and feminists' main goal is male genocide. However, while their view is nihilistic, hope to reverse course still remains.


If a dude takes the black pill he realizes all hope is lost. Incels are destined to never be with a woman. The feminists have won and it's only a matter of time before they completely take over. Black pills are fatalistic which causes them to be suicidal and sometimes homicidal.


Now, there is another pill they believe in which is the blue pills. Blue pills are guys whom choose to see the world as they want to see it. Incels and mgtow refer to these guys as "cucks". They believe cucks are suckers who get seduced by beckys and "staceys" (the top 20% of women) who marry them, have some kids and eventually leave them for a chad taking the cucks' kids and money.


The anti-cuck is mgtow. Mgtow have sworn off women except for the occasional casual sexual encounter. They refuse to get into any relationship with women let alone have children.


Here's the thing. This subculture sounds crazy, cooky and a plethora of losers. It is. But, it's also dangerous. It's not dangerous just because it's sexist, misogynistic and possesses a virulent disdain for women especially feminists but not exclusively feminists.


Possibly its most potent danger lies in its' speciousness.  A hint of truth does exist in some of the things incels and mgtow say. Some women are shallow. Some women do use good men up and throw them away like trash when they're done. Some women do only like jerks and pseudo-alpha males. And, some women literally lie like it's an skilled art form. However, this is not true of most women.


Misogyny subculture targets teenage boys and middle aged "average" men. For most teenagers life is difficult when it comes to dating. Boys who are not particularly good looking or doesn't have a high social status have a difficult time getting girls to notice them. If this rejection is repetitive and frequent, it is very easy for resentment, anger and self-hate to settle in.


And, this is when incels, mgtow and crypto-misogynists often swoop in with a shoulder to cry on. After a few months of indoctrination the boy has become radicalized and he's on Twitter or Twitch taking all his frustration out on women calling them sluts and whores. A few more months later he is ranting about feminism and women want to genocide men.


The same general concept can happen to middle aged men. Take a guy who thinks he has the ideal life and he hit the jackpot because he has a beautiful wife and a couple of kids. Next thing he knows he only sees his kids every other weekend and he's basically penniless because his wife left him for an alpha male and took everything he worked for.


These misogynists lurk around the dude wooing him into an online group or even indoctrinating him in person. Before you know it he's radicalized, swearing off all women and generally referring to them as bitches and hoes.  


And, it goes without saying these examples are not indicative of most women. But, that is not the point. These groups propagandize. They take advantage of the vulnerable. Misery loves company.


But, when I say they're specious, this is what I mean. These type examples occur often enough that bad actors can strawman the situation and began radicalizing guys. This is especially true of adolescent and teenage boys who are already vulnerable and impressionable.


The misogyny subculture is real. It is more pervasive and influential than people realize and/or want to believe. Yes, society is getting so much better in its attitude toward women but misogyny and sexism still exist and unfortunately in abundance. This lays a foundation that incels and mgtow can work with the drag boys and men down into the fever swamps.


This platform doesn't necessarily provide the space for the expansiveness of this topic. But, patriarchy plays a huge role. Religious fundamentalism plays another role.


Also, don't discount the influence of alt-right political ideology. The innate response is to recoil from the mention of politics. However, political ideology cannot be ignored. It is fuel injector for mgtow and crypto-misogynist. It eventually impacts the way incels view the world.


Bear in mind these misogynists see feminism as an existential threat. As an adjacent they see progressivism, diversity, inclusion and liberal ideology as a threat as well. So, politics is apart of this.


And, this subculture harbors people of various backgrounds, but the majority of these guys are heterosexual white males. That is just a fact. Another fact is the vast majority of these guys along with being misogynists are also racist, homophobic, xenophobic and virulently transphobic.


It's understandably easy to dismiss these dudes as losers, jerks and bitter assholes but it is imperative to emphasize just how dangerous and influential they are. They are pervasive on social media and online. Like any other nefarious group they're looking for people to radicalize. They're toxic and spiteful and they thoroughly enjoy demeaning and harassing women.


Lastly, this is not necessarily true of pua but keep them in their proper context. They are not driven by a particular ideology or irrational hatred of feminism. However, some view them as the most toxic of the subculture groups. This is because they are every bit as misogynistic as the others and they possess a callousness toward women which often leads to emotional and physical damage. Pick-up artists are literally predators. Just because most engage in consensual sex doesn't mean they are not predatory.

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The Misogyny Subculture: Pickup Artists (Part 6)

Every family, group and community has outliers-black sheep one could say. Within the misogyny subculture those black sheep are pickup artists or "PUA".


PUA is a community of men whose primary life goal is to "pick-up" or "romance" as many women as possible with the sole purpose of having sex. They have zero interest in any type of serious relationship. It is completely about sexual conquests.


Now, pick-up artists typically aren't apart of the 20% (from the 80/20 rule). Rather, they are often former incel sympathizers or just "regular dudes".


So, that begs the question how are they able to pick-up women?


Well, pick-up artists employ an approach they claim is scientific. They say it's about sociobiology. According to their philosophy women react to certain physical attributes but also react to specific social cues and mental/emotional manipulation.


PUA believe in crafting their presentation, which they call "game". First, improving one's physical appearance is key. They refer to it as "outer game".  The way to improve the outer game is to change the wardrobe, workout and improve personal hygiene.


Doing this (they say) will lead to a more potent "inner game". Inner game is exactly what it implies, which is improving self-esteem and confidence.


Once, these improvements are enacted guys will be able to actually fine tune their approach and their seduction.


You're probably thinking, "Ok. This actually sounds like good advice. Sure, the goal of sleeping with as many women as possible is a bit douchebaggy but what is the problem really?"


And, that is a fair point. It is actually what I thought too. It is certainly a point pua make. In fact, they frequently turn this advice into a lucrative business on the lecture and workshop circuits and on YouTube where their videos get massive views which results in huge monetization.


 But, of course, there are caveats and very substantive tangible reasons these guys are apart of the misogyny subculture.


Pick-up artists, unlike their brethren, aren't ideologues. They do not necessarily harbor an intense resentment of women. They are not red pills who believe women are out to conduct male genocide. Nor do pua have an irrational abhorrence for feminists.


However, pick-up artists do possess disdain and disregard for women. They view women as points in a contest or as objects to be conquered and subsequently discarded.


And, here is where pua's misogyny is most illuminated. As has been established, the only end goal is to seduce a woman into sex. Unfortunately, there are no principled guidelines or tethered structures as to how that is achieved.


Pick-up artists are notorious for having no shame in their game. They will do whatever it takes to get the pudding. If that means they feel it's necessary to lead a woman into believing an actual serious relationship is possible they'll do it knowing they have zero intentions of that. If it entails preying on emotionally vulnerable or unstable women , they will do it.


A well-known tactic that pua employ is negging. Negging is the practice of giving backhanded compliments or simply just being an ass. It is supposed to be a form of reverse psychology. For example a guy practicing negging will say, "You have great breasts! They can't be real. " The basic principle is women actually respond more favorably to men who
 ignore them or mildly insult them. Allegedly negging weakens women's defenses making them more vulnerable to seduction. Negging can also be employed against a woman's significant other instead of her with the same goal in mind.


(Side note: If negging disgusts you, it should. But, I can tell you I have personally witnessed it be successful in both methods [against the woman and her significant other in her presence].)


Some pua take it to the extremes, also. If running game doesn't work, some will resort to coercion or rape.


Pick-up artists essentially view women as commodities. Or, even more crassly they see women as prey. They checkout out the scene. They approach them. They lure them into the trap. Then, they kill it, so to speak. And, they move on with no remorse nor regard for the carnage they might left behind.


This callous attitude is why many people especially feminists believe pick-up artists are the most toxic among the misogyny subculture groups. Sure, they don't appear as misogynistic as let's say mgtow or as nihilistic and virulent as incels or as demeaning and slut shaming as crypto-misogynists; however, they are every bit as dangerous. They use whatever they have to do to entice women into sex then often leave them emotionally and mentally scarred. Sometimes their manipulation is physical.


But, why are pick-up artists considered the black sheep of the subculture? Well, let's begin with incels. Some incels (red pills) buy into what pick-up artists are selling.


However, many incels (red and black pills) think pick-up artists are selling false hope and more importantly betraying the ideology. Let's not forget incels' entire existence is predicated on the belief they are forcibly celibate because they possess certain physical and/or financial shortcomings that doom them to a lonely life and feminism is so pervasive within society that either a miraculous shift would have to occur or that shift is never coming. Oh, and we can't neglect the "reality" that 80% of "females" are vain vapid bitches and hoes whom are only interested in chads or beta males/cucks they can use and then throw away. (NOTE: Be VERY wary of any dude who primarily or exclusively refers to women as "females". This likely is an indicator they don't possess a generally favorable view of women. IJS) So, needless to say some dudes saying that if these incels just worked out; showered; and realized Aqua-Fresh isn't only good for cheap caulking they would get a little taste of pudding, is antithetical to the party line.


While some incels distrust pua, mgtow and crypto-misogynists detest them! Mgtow and crypto-misogynists believe pick-up artists are nothing less than snake oil salesmen. They believe pua's techniques and purporting of sociobiology is pseudoscience. (BTW they're correct; it largely is.) Essentially, they think pick-up artists are grifter blue pills selling false hope, pathetically naive to the insidious evil of feminism and who are liars because their "conquests are few and far between" regardless what their bragging says.


Pick-up artists believe mgtow are " simply pathetic losers who have no game and can't handle rejection". Their opinion of incels is a bit softer. They believe incels are losers too, but they "wallow in their pity because other incels and mgtow have encouraged them to do so." Most pua feel if incels just followed their advice they would having sex all the time.


Very similar to the other groups pua uses the internet as their main communication tool. They cluster in online groups and forums they call "lairs". They utilize these lairs to swap "trade secrets" and brag about conquests.


It should come as no surprise that within the confines of the lairs the misogyny and virulent rhetoric increases. I pointed out earlier that pua doesn't come across as misogynistic and hateful as the other groups and that is generally true. They are not likely to pervade Twitter, Twitch or Redditt with spiteful venomous name calling and harassing women. But, in the privacy of the lairs the name calling and disparaging is quite present. And, it does occasionally seep out into more public and well trafficked platforms. Especially in the form of negging.


Pick-up artists might be viewed as the illegitimate sons of the misogyny subculture but they are apart of it nonetheless. No, they don't wallow in self-pity like incels. They are not hateful pious jackasses like mgtow. Nor are they sanctimonious sexists like crypto-misogynists. Make no mistake though, they are every bit as misogynistic.


Women are literally nothing more than a piece of ass. They virtually see women in three categories: women they've fucked; women they haven't fucked yet; and, women they don't deem worthy of fucking. And, they will literally do whatever it takes to get the ass regardless what it is.


That attitude and approach itself is quintessential misogyny.


 

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The Misogyny Subculture: Crypto-Misogynists (Part 5)

Within the misogyny subculture the red pill/blue pill/black pill philosophy is the main cornerstone of the movement. As previously discussed incels adopt both the red pill and black pill approaches, which are nihilism and fatalism respectively. MGTOW (Men Who Go Their Own Way) largely adopt the red pill philosophy but with a spin of isolationism or at the very least a "soft" boycott of women and relationships which includes children. (I say "soft" because most MGTOW will have casual sex but nothing more.) And, both groups generally display a moderate level of contempt for blue pills because they believe they're naive and "cucks".


Red pill has another offshoot which encompasses the approach and philosophy of incels and mgtow. It is a group of men who don't identity as an incel or mgtow but are certainly sympathizers of both. They are what I refer to as crypto-misogynists.


Some would say crypto-misogynists are essentially the men's right movement. These men basically believe men are oppressed. They feel women are provided all the advantages in society. The core philosophy, not unlike incels and mgtow, is there is an effort (whether it be implicit or explicit) to oppress men. Some, also like the other groups, believe there is a genocide of men taking place.


So, what distinguishes crypto-misogynists from incels and mgtow? Well, as with all these groups the differences are subtle but do exist.


Crypto-misogynists are not celibate, whether voluntarily or involuntarily, like incels and mgtow. Dissimilar from mgtow they seek serious relationships with women and desire to have a family.


They don't wallow in self-pity. Nor, do they engage in activities which are self-defeating and provide fuel for a self-fulfilling prophecy in the manner incels do.


To the contrary crypto-misogynists are quite confident. Actually, it's closer to toxic arrogance.


In fact, crypto-misogynists can be sanctimonious and sacrosanct. Whereas mgtow have sworn off women because they believe most of them are "skanks" just looking for a "sugar daddy and baby maker", crypto-misogynists also believe many women are "skanks" but there are enough women out there who are worthy of a relationship and starting a family.


Crypto-misogynists believe in hypergamy (80/20 rule), although they soften it a bit more than mgtow who soften it more than incels. For those unfamiliar with the term hypergamy, it is the practice of women dating and sexing only men who are above their financial, social and sexually attractive level. The 80/20 rule states 80% of women will only seek after the top 20% of men.


So, crypto-misogynists look for potential mates in the 20% of women who don't practice hypergamy. Where mgtow "respects" that 20% but doesn't want to chance it and incels don't think the 20% are good enough (cue in the irony) crypto-misogynists believe these women get it and haven't been corrupted.


Corrupted? By what you might ask. Oh now, kids, you know what. All together now.....FEMINISM!


Yes, exactly like the other groups, the foundation of crypto-misogynists' philosophy and worldview is a virulent and intense disdain for feminism and feminists.


These guys believe feminism has essentially brainwashed women into believing men are "trash" and their only purpose is to be used. They fervently believe feminism has propagated the notion it's ok for women to "trick" men with their sexuality. Also, they believe there is a coordinated effort by the left, social justice warriors (sjws) and "radical" feminists to emasculate men while masculinizing women. And, it should come as little shock these guys believe there is an order to society-an order with men being in charge and women "co-equal" (in name only) . In reality they believe women are to be subservient. However, they emphatically insist the idea of patriarchy is a hoax purported by feminists to demonize men....Seriously.


Similar to mgtow crypto-misogynists have a substantial presence on YouTube, which allows them to propagate their message.


A few themes can be extracted from their videos. Of course, feminism is evil and society construct is intentionally geared toward women are the main tenants. But, after watching a few videos a couple of other threads become glaringly obvious.


What tends to cloak these guys' misogyny is they seem to rationally make points that possess hints of truth and some irrefutable facts but are largely specious and disingenuous. For example, they often complain feminists are hypocritical because feminists claim they want men to grow and become more empathetic but are often themselves not empathetic toward men and display no willingness to help them grow. Now, there is some truth in this because some feminists are quite dogmatic and unyielding in their attitude toward men. However, the vast majority aren't like that, but that doesn't feed the false narrative they want relayed.


A pretty glaring example of how the misogyny comes through is in the way they talk about women (primarily the 80%). It is fairly noticeable they are concerned with thots, sex workers and those they call "e-whores". No, it's an obsession with these women.


A few months ago not just crypto-misogynists but many members of the misogyny subculture started a movement on Twitter called the #ThotAudit. The goal was to implore the IRS to begin investigating women on Twitch, YouTube and other streaming services who produce channels that are monetized either by the streaming service themselves or by Patreon. Many of these women don't pay taxes on the money they "earn" despite some of them bringing in tens of thousands of dollars. It should also be noted that it's not just these women but many video and streaming content providers don't report their income to the IRS.


Now, it is more than fair to argue these women's content is less than substantive. The women the #ThotAudit mainly targeted were those on Twitch whose content primarily consists of them chatting with viewers while being scantily clad and doing rather mundane activities such as playing video games or exercising. The vast majority of their audience is male. Most of these men either give monthly donations through Patreon (which is the primary source of income for most streamers/youtubers) or they do a "pay-go". Pay-go is essentially men asking these women to do something such as jumping jacks and paying, for example, $5 for 10 jumping jacks. (Ain't capitalism just the best!)


This "supply and demand" infuriates crypto-misogynists. They claim the women take advantage of lonely dudes and lead them on while taking their money; thus why they call them "e-whores". The women say they are simply "models" or "content producers". Now, I'm not going to dive into the nuance of that debate.


The signature point here is that these guys incessantly rail against the women; yet, never call out the men or hold them accountable. They say women are sluts for doing these videos which they say amount to softcore porn; however, the men who patron these videos are victims and being taken advantage of because "what man doesn't wanna see a naked woman". It is totally lost on them these women are only making money because these dudes, largely incels it should be noted, are giving them money. Nobody is coercing them and while it could be argued some of these women might be leading these guys on it could just as easily be argued these guys should get a clue. Some people would say these guys' money would be better spent on actual hardcore porn than giving away $10 for 30 minutes of watching a chick play Fortnite while wearing only a sports bra and a thong. Again, some would say.


It is instances such as these the misogyny comes shining through. Crypto-misogynists take this approach with several topics. They use men "complimenting" women as an opportunity to claim victimhood because they claim catcalling is complimentary. They say women claiming sexual harassment is an affront to men because men are demonized for simply "being manly".


When it is broken down crypto-misogynists are like the other groups. Yes, there are some nuanced differences. However, the crux of their ideology and the base of their core beliefs is that feminism is society's biggest cancer the root cause of men's problems. They believe men are atop the hierarchy and feminism has destroyed that by instilling within women the false belief they're equal.


Crypto-misogynists firmly believe things such as patriarchy, pay inequality and rape culture are hoaxes perpetrated by feminists and leftists. They genuinely believe men are victims of genocide and women have constructed all the institutions in society against them.


Perhaps, they are not as virulent in their rhetoric as incels or as angry as mgtow but they might be even more dangerous. Because, crypto-misogynists can come across as reasonable but they completely co-sign onto the platform the other groups support. They present themselves as " knights in shining armor" but are really pigs drenched in misogyny and disdain for women obtaining true equality.

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The Misogyny Subculture: MGTOWs (Part 4)

In the previous blog I discussed incels in-depth. I went over their worldview and what shapes it. Also, I covered their philosophy that men essentially go in one of three directions: blue pill (men who see the world as they want it to be); black pill (men who view the world as a wasteland where women rule and men are systematically victimized by genocide, thus there is no hope) and red pill (men who believe they see the world for what it is in reality, which is feminism is systematically attempting to genocide all men, but while the outlook is bleak all hope is not lost).


This installment will circle in on a subset of red pills called mgtow (men who go their own way).


While mgtows are a subset of red pills they are definitely a distinct group of their own. Similar to incels mgtows believe the vast majority of women are shallow deceitful creatures who are guided by feminism to wreck natural order and make men extinct. They also believe the combination of shallowness and feminism is what leads women to practicing hypergamy.


Now, unlike incels mgtows don't claim involuntary celibacy or a lack of genetics is their problem. They are men who have consciously decided to swear off women. They have vowed not to engage in serious relationships. Marriage is equivalent to suicide in their eyes.


Another area mgtows differ from incels is, although they have sworn off women, most of them will still have casual sex with women (preferably prostitutes). However, some mgtows actually have pledged abstinence, which they refer to as "going monk".


The mgtow movement began in the mid-2000s likely around 2005. Like incels they originated as an online group in Reddit. They eventually expanded their presence as they began popping up on Twitter. And, they have carved out quite a niche on YouTube where there are a plethora of guys who produce content geared toward mgtows and pushing their propaganda about women.


The mgtow worldview and philosophy is not much different from incels in they have an intense disdain for feminism. While it is probably fair to say mgtows possess more nuanced "classifications" of women than incels, they share the same base perception that women are predominantly "trash".


Mgtows believe good women exist but they still want nothing to do with them because they are always capable of "turning". However, unlike incels, mgtows willingly accept female allies. And, they actually have more than one might expect. In fact, it is quite common from my observations to see women make appearances in mgtow videos and even independently make videos advocating for the mgtow cause.


Despite this alliance with select women mgtows are capable of being every bit as misogynistic as incels. I would say mgtows lean toward being more sexist than misogynistic but admittedly that might be a distinction without a difference.


Mgtows believe the world should go back to the 1950s when women were "barefoot and in the kitchen". They whole heartedly believe feminism has poisoned women's minds causing them to "not know their place".


Also, they subscribe to assertion that women have essentially taken over the workplace and the government installing a feminist agenda that is systematically destroying the fabric of the family and society. According to them their is a hierarchy ordained by God that says men are atop the pyramid and women are subservient. However, they don't see themselves generally as religious fundamentalists. I suspect that is because theoretically that would interfere with the banging of prostitutes. But, again, that is merely a suspicion.


Certainly, misogyny is a staple of their platform. It is extremely evident in the way they address feminists. It is not uncommon for feminists to be referred to as "whores", "sluts", "bitches" and "cunts". As stated earlier, they seem to make more of a distinction than incels do who are the "good" women and who are the "bad" women, but to the women they consider bad they are repugnant.


Mgtows are notorious for perpetuating rape culture. They believe most women who are victims of sexual assault are at fault for getting raped because of the way they dress or because they are "dick teases".  They also believe a significant amount of men are falsely accused and there is an inadequate amount of sympathy extended toward them.


These dudes truly feel the court system is prejudiced against them also. According to them not only are men biased against in sexual assault cases but are at distinct disadvantages when it comes to divorce and child custody cases. This belief largely lends to their disavowal of marriage and having children.


Interestingly (or not so interestingly), mgtows almost exclusively skew to far right side of the political spectrum. Many of them associate themselves with the alt-right or male chauvinist groups like the Proud Boys. Also, many mgtows along with being misogynistic and sexist are racist, xenophobic and homophobic.


Speaking of homophobia, while unquestionably mgtows believe feminism is the root of all evil, they too believe the LGBTQ community is out to destroy straight men. They believe society's construct is being manipulated to give undeserved attention to the LGBTQ community which is a nefarious attempt to generate male genocide.


Another intriguing aspect to mgtows is their contempt for pickup artists (pua). I have mentioned in previous blogs incels believe "puas" are scammers and snake oil salesmen giving men false hope.


Well, mgtows believe the same thing except there is a bit more of personal animosity. Pickup artists believe (or at least say they do) incels are just dudes down on their luck who need confidence, a stick of Juicy Fruit and a shower. But, they think mgtows are simply "losers" and they say as such.


I don't wanna go to deep here because puas will have their own installment in this series; however, it must be noted pick-up artists believe mgtows are just dudes who are lazy and weak. They think mgtows seeking out sex workers is an example of an unwillingness to work on their "game". Whereas they view incels as losers too but principled losers who just need the proper tools to begin "bedding" women.


It's all odd.


Most people would say incels are infinitely more dangerous than mgtows because they seemingly pose more of an imminent threat. I understand that perspective.


However, I think in the grander scheme mgtows pose a more significant threat because they actually can integrate into society better. They are not generally social outcasts. Their sexism and misogyny can easily be more propagated and come across as less toxic. The problem is it's every bit as toxic.


I compare it to the weaving in of racism into the political discourse. What someone like Steve Bannon says is every bit as pernicious as what Steve King says. The difference is Bannon cloaks his rhetoric in populism and plausibly deniable statements whereas King is almost blatant in his rhetoric. He leaves little, if any, wiggle room.


Mgtows are no different from Bannon in their approach. Sure, if provoked, they will expose their hand, but generally they cloak their anti-feminism in spurious claims of persecution of men. On the other hand, incels give away the game going all in on all women from the jump.


Make no mistake mgtows are simply more sophisticated incels. The distinctions are narrow but real. Regardless, the disdain for feminism is the same and the misogyny has the potential of being just as raw and unfettered.

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